KMBC-TV 9 and The Star both report that a group of employees at the Leawood, KS City Hall have been suspended for participating in a betting pool on KCMO’s 2005 murder rate. And most Jocos still don’t understand why they’re hated by so much of the metro area…

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29 Comments so far

  1. M E on November 11, 2005 9:12 am

    Could it be that they aren’t liked because most are arrogant? Could it be because they think Olathe is still better than any place in MO? Could it be because that believe that crossing State Line is going into the hood?

  2. DaveKCMO on November 11, 2005 12:18 pm

    Funny!

    Oh, if only the escapades of *every* office could make front page news. No one would respect anyone ever again.

  3. heidi on November 11, 2005 12:23 pm

    It *would* be Leawood.

  4. tony on November 11, 2005 4:37 pm

    Nice catch!!! My hatred of all things JoCo sometimes needs more fuel. This should suffice for the next 20 years. Thanks!

  5. parrish on November 11, 2005 4:53 pm

    I wish I were surprised by the pool.

    I am surprised they were suspended, though.

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  7. ChrisM70 on November 11, 2005 6:28 pm

    I have to say, that as a Kansas Cititan (that’s what I consider myself) who lives on the Kansas side in Johnson County, what does it say about Missourians that the reaction by some to this story is “I knew there was a reason I hated them JoCo people”?

    Yes, there are dumb morons in Leawood – that’s not a shock. But, I’m getting a little tired of people labeling others because of the actions of a few. Is JoCo hated because it has tons of crappy strip malls and McMansions? So what? So does the Northland.

    And how about those KCMO schools? See what I’m saying? Every place has something that can be ridiculed.

    And, especially in light of all the crap that’s being hurled at the entire state of Kansas because of this idiotic “Intelligent Design” ruling, I’m getting really sick of being lumped in with the idiots.

    There are lots of smart, decent people in Kansas (yes, some of them live in JoCo too) and don’t deserve to be treated like inbred hillbillies.
    Just don’t forget that no matter where you live there are always morons and idiots. So let’s try to be a little more careful about who we label.

    I also hope that with cold weather this will cooll down some of the hostilities and people will stop killing each other. We can all agree on that, right?

  8. Tim on November 12, 2005 9:28 am

    I think Johnson County people sometimes forget that, if it were not for KCMO, JoCo would not exist.

  9. BlogKC on November 12, 2005 2:47 pm

    ChrisM70, KCMO has 14 school districts besides the namesake district. Some of them like Park Hill and Lee’s Summit are just good if not better than the precious Blue Valley.

    Right or wrong, Johnson Countians do have a very negative reputation among the rest of the city. It’s not just Missourians, much of KCK feels the same way. The actions of these few people reinforced that reputation and created bad feelings for everyone else in the county.

  10. balzack on November 12, 2005 7:57 pm

    To ChrisM70: and read in the voice of Darth Vader

    come to the dark side….east of troost, and your journey to the dead zone will be complete.

    Chris, I label you and the rest of JoCo because you’ve abandoned the city due to the “others” (blacks, white trash, hispanics, asians and bigots like me). Only on Sundays during football season do you pissants with KS JO plates cross over…and for the oft meal at Cheesecake on the Plaza to feed your rabid litters of white washed chitlins.

    and for all you still guessing in JoCo…138 sounds about right doesn’t it? or is that number taken?

  11. Andrew on November 12, 2005 11:54 pm

    I think it’s sad, and rude, that most of you are bashing JoCo because A FEW, and I say A FEW, nimwads decided to bet on the number of murders in KC. I don’t think it’s right that some of you are pooling all Johnson County residents into the “snooty rich snobs” category. Yes, there are rich, snooty people…but there are just as many on the KCMO side…in case you haven’t opened your eyes around the Plaza Area, to name just one area. Johnson County is, yes, suburban, but we are NOT all snooty, rich snobs…or have you all just decided since we live in suburbia that we’re rich and snobby? I don’t think it’s right and you all need to QUIT pooling all of Johnson County and its residents in to ONE THING!!!!! And “tony”, you need to get a life about this whole “hatred of Johnson County”, get real. And “M E”, Olathe is a whole different city…it is not considered a suburb of KC, like Prairie Village or Shawnee, in case you didn’t know.

  12. ChrisM70 on November 13, 2005 1:15 am

    To Tim: Tim’s point seems to be “if there wasn’t a city, there wouldn’t be suburbs”. No kidding. And how successful would the city be if all of the suburbanites didn’t drive into work, spend their money and help support Kansas City? We’re all part of the metro area. I do sort of subscribe to idea that the suburbs are in many ways a horrible blight on America. But does that make every one that lives in them stupid or snobs? I would also question how much of what many believe to be “typical JoCo behavior” is something actually witnessed, or if it is something believed to be true through rumors and dislike of the area.

    To blogkc: you said,”Right or wrong, Johnson Countians do have a very negative reputation among the rest of the city”. That would be WRONG. Just like it is wrong that many people in Kansas have a negative view of KCMO as being crappy schools, awful highways and crooked city councils. Some of that exits, but it shouldn’t define all of KCMO.

    And to balzack: First off, I didn’t “abandon” KCMO – I MOVED to this area and chose to live near my work. If I could find a place,I would love to live downtown. However, it’s actually cheaper for me to live in North JoCo. I do agree that years ago people fled to the suburbs, and yes, many fled because of racial or economic fears, but what has KCMO done to lure them back? It’s up to the city to give people a REASON to live in the city. You can’t just say “Hey! You MUST live here or you are bad”. You should be happy that the “JoCo pissants” drive across the state line and GIVE your city their money. If things continue the way they might, those same people might decide to drive up to KCK and spend in near the Raceway – and stop spending their money in Missouri.

  13. Hippstar on November 13, 2005 9:44 pm

    I think it’s funny that JoCo is getting blasted for making fun of KCMO for having 130 murders this year. The joke is that KCMO having 130 murders this year is exactly why people live in JoCo and make fun of KCMO. That, and it’s borderline child abuse to send your kids to school in KCMO unless you have to.

    And balzack, people don’t move to JoCo to get away from Mexicans; they move to get away from the 130 murders and the schools.

    But hey, JoCo people are condescending snobs about the whole thing. I think we can all accept that. We can also accept that the JoCo haters are hipster poseurs pretending that there’s something inherently virtuous about living in Waldo and buying cds at Streetside Records.

    Personally, I’d pick Waldo over Overland Park in all its beige glory, but the wife made that decision. But I think we can all agree to some good-natured hatred of each other.

  14. prm on November 14, 2005 4:03 pm

    Hippstar,

    Thanks for reinforcing the arrogance and bigotry that feeds the stereotype of the typical JoCoer. I ALMOST bought the argument that “We’re not all like that” until I read your comment.

    Let us not forget, Johnson County wouldn’t be what it is without white flight.

  15. matt on November 14, 2005 9:01 pm

    “I think it’s sad, and rude, that most of you are bashing JoCo because A FEW, and I say A FEW, nimwads decided to bet on the number of murders in KC. I don’t think it’s right that some of you are pooling all Johnson County residents into the “snooty rich snobs” category. Yes, there are rich, snooty people…but there are just as many on the KCMO side…in case you haven’t opened your eyes around the Plaza Area, to name just one area. Johnson County is, yes, suburban, but we are NOT all snooty, rich snobs…or have you all just decided since we live in suburbia that we’re rich and snobby? I don’t think it’s right and you all need to QUIT pooling all of Johnson County and its residents in to ONE THING!!!!! And “tony”, you need to get a life about this whole “hatred of Johnson County”, get real. And “M E”, Olathe is a whole different city…it is not considered a suburb of KC, like Prairie Village or Shawnee, in case you didn’t know.”

    Andrew,

    Thank you for continuing to reinforce the JoCo stereotype. Take an urban geography class at KU or UMKC please.

    anyway, i’ll take my walkable community here in midtown with great bars and restaurants over strip mall garbage and traffic any day.

  16. Jim S on November 15, 2005 12:47 am

    Actually, Matt, Olathe is considered a suburb of KC, like it or not.

    And the real reason that the JoCo folk tend to get bashed is the large number of them who are utter snobs about not being in the evil city. I know that I knew someone once who worked in KC and had major issues with paying the earnings tax. The snobbery came through in every word he said about the city.

  17. Craig on November 15, 2005 12:48 am

    What pansies you people are! KCMO’s murder rate is nothing compared to many cities its size. New Orleans (same population) was well into the 300s before the flood. Look around at several other cities of comparable size and pick out all those with great schools and no crime. KCMO takes a hit from the Kansas side because there are no other cities of its size for a point of reference…Topeka? Rrrrright. The truth is there are many “liveable” parts of KCMO and several of the districts are top flight. So, crime really isn’t that bad and the schools aren’t either. Nope, sorry…the only reasons JOCO is what it has become are white flight and racism, sorry.

  18. matt on November 15, 2005 11:15 am

    Jim,

    I know. Thats what i was alluding to. I’m down with the geography of kansas citys hinterland. :)

    Matt

  19. ChrisM70 on November 15, 2005 1:36 pm

    Jim S:

    Why does it bother you so much that “snobs” live in JoCo? If you think they are snobs, then why are you angry that they left the city? Wouldn’t the city be better off without them? Maybe the next time you see one of these snobs on the Plaza, ask them to leave – and take their spending money back over to the Kansas side. That will teach them.

  20. matt on November 15, 2005 2:22 pm

    just a reminder.

    1 Atlanta, GA
    2 St. Louis, MO
    3 Washington, D.C.
    4 Cinncinnati, OH
    [b]5 Kansas City, MO[/b]
    6 Denver, CO
    7 Seattle, WA
    8 Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN
    9 Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    10 Chicago, IL

    Ten Most Sprawl-Threatened Large Cities (Sierra Club)
    Number Five: Kansas City

    Kansas City has more freeway lane-miles per car than any other city in the country.

    Lacking geographic limits like mountains and major water bodies, the Kansas City region has sprawled like topsy. The bi-state metro area has also been influenced by an extensive regional freeway system planned in the ’40s,

    [b]***a state line that has made it difficult to get citizens to think of the region as a single entity*** [/b]

    and a central-city school district situation that has stimulated white flight.

    In late 1995, an award-winning series in the Kansas City Star explored the causes and effects of sprawl. The series title says it all: “Divided We Sprawl.” And while there is growing concern in Kansas City about sprawl, the region has yet to take the problem seriously. The word “sprawl” just isn’t uttered in polite circles.

    Increased federal transportation funding promised in the TEA-21 bill recently signed by President Clinton is likely to only make things worse, as it will be possible to build most of the sprawl-promoting suburban road projects that local governments have on their wish lists. Kansas City already enjoys the dubious distinction of having more freeway lane-miles per capita than any other city in the country. The percentage of work trips made by people driving alone is 79.7 percent, above the national average of 73.2 percent (Kansas City Star).

    Public transit is inadequate, as indicated by the fact that transit ridership per capita in Kansas City is only one-third the average of a dozen other cities of similar size. While there is currently a major effort to improve transit, the region still has no formally adopted long-range transit plan.

    Large-scale development projects in the suburban fringe continue to occur. Sprint is building a 200-acre office campus near the southwest edge of the metro area to house most of its 14,000 employees. Harley-Davidson built a new plant at the north edge of the area using tax incentives intended for core city areas. A NASCAR racetrack and Land of Oz theme park are being planned at the western edge of the region.

    Some hopeful signs that Kansas City may slow its unrestrained expansion have begun to appear. In response to citizen protests in 1995, suburban Johnson County decided against building the “21st Century Parkway,” an outer belt highway intended to promote more development.

    In 1997, following a five-year process that involved thousands of citizens, the Kansas City, (Mo.,) City Council adopted a new comprehensive plan, the city’s first since 1947. Called FOCUS (Forging Our Comprehensive Urban Strategy), the plan lays out policy guidelines to strengthen the urban core into an area where it will be possible to make most trips using public transit and non-motorized modes. However, with some 150 square miles of undeveloped land within the city limits and continuing competition for development from suburban jurisdictions, FOCUS had to include “quality suburban development” as well.

    Another positive sign is the spirit of regionalism reflected in a sales tax increase passed in 1996 by voters of four counties to restore Union Station as a “Science City” museum. And the Mid-America Regional Council, the region’s metropolitan planning organization, recently received a three-year grant from the EPA to promote more sustainable land development policies and practices.

  21. 53sled on November 15, 2005 5:39 pm

    I find it disturbing that the “dead pool” is getting more attention than the 100+ murders, many unsolved, all unnecessary.

  22. Hebrewite on November 15, 2005 8:00 pm

    who cares?
    A couple less Niggers killed by other Niggers is a good thing.

  23. ChrisM70 on November 15, 2005 8:19 pm

    Please, no one needs to pay attention to #22.

    Now, this post WAS about JoCo vs. MO -
    not sprawl vs. non-sprawl, but as I someone who lives in JoCo, I think that the current re-birth is FANTASTIC.
    And, I believe that most suburbanites couldn’t be happier as well. Because we ALL benefit from a thriving downtown. As I have mentioned before in an earlier post, is that you can’t just expect people to move to the city because people think it’s the right thing to do – the city ITSELF has do something to make people WANT to live there. This includes good roads (KCMO roads are terrible) good schools (currently has a national reputation as awful) and other amenities that make it convenient (grocery stores, better mass transit, housing, etc).

    I go downtown almost every week for something and I can’t believe how much better things are getting. First Fridays are HUGE, Union Station is getting better, a downtown arena, H&R Block center – the city is doing a great job of changing my mind – I am seriously thinking of moving.

    Of course, if the city could maybe slow down the number of people getting KILLED, that might help too.

  24. beermo on November 16, 2005 12:46 pm

    while everyone was busy bashing joco and leawood, did anyone notice that a very, very, small percentage of leawood’s city employees actually live in leawood.

  25. Leawood J on November 17, 2005 12:06 am

    What is particularly funny is that NOT ONE of the dead pool employees actually lived in Leawood!! That’s right. Most lived in KC so they were betting on their own murders.
    Love the irony!!!

  26. Andrew on November 18, 2005 9:32 pm

    matt, I’m fully aware of geography, I just misspoke. The main underlying point of my comment was that not all Johnson County residents fit under the stereotype of “snotty rich people”. Granted, there are those kind people in Johnson County, but there are quite a few in KCMO also. I still believe the main reason why people moved to Johnson County, my family included, was to get a decent public education. My family used to live in KCMO and loved it, and I wish we still lived there, but the schools were the reason for us moving. KCMO schools need to turn themselves around.

    Leawood J, that’s an excellent point…and true.

  27. Andrew on November 18, 2005 10:00 pm

    “Could it be because they believe that crossing State Line is going into the hood”

    M E, that is probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard so far. I do a ton of things across State Line, and never once did I think I was going into the hood. last time I checked, Ward Pkwy, Wornall Rd, Oak St, Westport Rd, Broadway, etc. were not considered the hood. Granted, there are bad areas in KCMO, as well as in Kansas, but to generalize this and say “crossing State Line is going into the hood” is a bit extreme, and just not true.

  28. Tim on November 22, 2005 9:39 am

    Go to some parts of JoCo (especially 75th & Nieman vicinity) and tell me it’s not “the hood”. What a f*%king dumpy area.

  29. Mike on November 29, 2005 1:46 pm

    Please think about this. This so stupid everyone getting mad about a couple people making a bet. Who cares what it was about. They are not contributing to the murder count. How I know this…. THEY ARE WHITE.

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