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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/11/this-ones-for-the-jo-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-31060</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please think about this. This so stupid everyone getting mad about a couple people making a bet. Who cares what it was about. They are not contributing to the murder count. How I know this.... THEY ARE WHITE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please think about this. This so stupid everyone getting mad about a couple people making a bet. Who cares what it was about. They are not contributing to the murder count. How I know this&#8230;. THEY ARE WHITE.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/11/this-ones-for-the-jo-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-29426</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to some parts of JoCo (especially 75th &amp; Nieman vicinity) and tell me it&#039;s not &quot;the hood&quot;. What a f*%king dumpy area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to some parts of JoCo (especially 75th &amp; Nieman vicinity) and tell me it&#8217;s not &#8220;the hood&#8221;. What a f*%king dumpy area.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/11/this-ones-for-the-jo-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-28778</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Could it be because they believe that crossing State Line is going into the hood&quot;

M E,  that is probably the dumbest thing I&#039;ve heard so far.  I do a ton of things across State Line, and never once did I think I was going into the hood.  last time I checked, Ward Pkwy, Wornall Rd, Oak St, Westport Rd, Broadway, etc. were not considered the hood.  Granted, there are bad areas in KCMO, as well as in Kansas, but to generalize this and say &quot;crossing State Line is going into the hood&quot; is a bit extreme, and just not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Could it be because they believe that crossing State Line is going into the hood&#8221;</p>
<p>M E,  that is probably the dumbest thing I&#8217;ve heard so far.  I do a ton of things across State Line, and never once did I think I was going into the hood.  last time I checked, Ward Pkwy, Wornall Rd, Oak St, Westport Rd, Broadway, etc. were not considered the hood.  Granted, there are bad areas in KCMO, as well as in Kansas, but to generalize this and say &#8220;crossing State Line is going into the hood&#8221; is a bit extreme, and just not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/11/this-ones-for-the-jo-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-28765</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt,  I&#039;m fully aware of geography, I just misspoke.  The main underlying point of my comment was that not all Johnson County residents fit under the stereotype of &quot;snotty rich people&quot;.  Granted, there are those kind people in Johnson County, but there are quite a few in KCMO also.  I still believe the main reason why people moved to Johnson County, my family included, was to get a decent public education.  My family used to live in KCMO and loved it, and I wish we still lived there, but the schools were the reason for us moving.  KCMO schools need to turn themselves around.

Leawood J,  that&#039;s an excellent point...and true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt,  I&#8217;m fully aware of geography, I just misspoke.  The main underlying point of my comment was that not all Johnson County residents fit under the stereotype of &#8220;snotty rich people&#8221;.  Granted, there are those kind people in Johnson County, but there are quite a few in KCMO also.  I still believe the main reason why people moved to Johnson County, my family included, was to get a decent public education.  My family used to live in KCMO and loved it, and I wish we still lived there, but the schools were the reason for us moving.  KCMO schools need to turn themselves around.</p>
<p>Leawood J,  that&#8217;s an excellent point&#8230;and true.</p>
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		<title>By: Leawood J</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/11/this-ones-for-the-jo-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-28421</link>
		<dc:creator>Leawood J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   What is particularly funny is that NOT ONE of the dead pool employees actually lived in Leawood!!  That&#039;s right.  Most lived in KC so they were betting on their own murders.
   Love the irony!!!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is particularly funny is that NOT ONE of the dead pool employees actually lived in Leawood!!  That&#8217;s right.  Most lived in KC so they were betting on their own murders.<br />
   Love the irony!!!</p>
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		<title>By: beermo</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2005/11/this-ones-for-the-jo-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-28373</link>
		<dc:creator>beermo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while everyone was busy bashing joco and leawood, did anyone notice that a very, very,  small percentage of leawood&#039;s city employees actually live in leawood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while everyone was busy bashing joco and leawood, did anyone notice that a very, very,  small percentage of leawood&#8217;s city employees actually live in leawood.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisM70</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisM70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, no one needs to pay attention to #22.

Now, this post WAS about JoCo vs. MO -
not sprawl vs. non-sprawl, but as I someone who lives in JoCo, I think that the current re-birth is FANTASTIC.
And, I believe that most suburbanites couldn&#039;t be happier as well.  Because we ALL benefit from a thriving downtown.  As I have mentioned before in an earlier post, is that you can&#039;t just expect people to move to the city because people think it&#039;s the right thing to do - the city ITSELF has do something to make people WANT to live there.  This includes good roads (KCMO roads are terrible) good schools (currently has a national reputation as awful) and other amenities that make it convenient (grocery stores, better mass transit, housing, etc).  

I go downtown almost every week for something and I can&#039;t believe how much better things are getting. First Fridays are HUGE, Union Station is getting better, a downtown arena, H&amp;R Block center - the city is doing a great job of changing my mind - I am seriously thinking of moving.  

Of course, if the city could maybe slow down the number of people getting KILLED, that might help too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, no one needs to pay attention to #22.</p>
<p>Now, this post WAS about JoCo vs. MO -<br />
not sprawl vs. non-sprawl, but as I someone who lives in JoCo, I think that the current re-birth is FANTASTIC.<br />
And, I believe that most suburbanites couldn&#8217;t be happier as well.  Because we ALL benefit from a thriving downtown.  As I have mentioned before in an earlier post, is that you can&#8217;t just expect people to move to the city because people think it&#8217;s the right thing to do &#8211; the city ITSELF has do something to make people WANT to live there.  This includes good roads (KCMO roads are terrible) good schools (currently has a national reputation as awful) and other amenities that make it convenient (grocery stores, better mass transit, housing, etc).  </p>
<p>I go downtown almost every week for something and I can&#8217;t believe how much better things are getting. First Fridays are HUGE, Union Station is getting better, a downtown arena, H&amp;R Block center &#8211; the city is doing a great job of changing my mind &#8211; I am seriously thinking of moving.  </p>
<p>Of course, if the city could maybe slow down the number of people getting KILLED, that might help too.</p>
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		<title>By: Hebrewite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hebrewite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who cares?
A couple less Niggers killed by other Niggers is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares?<br />
A couple less Niggers killed by other Niggers is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: 53sled</title>
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		<dc:creator>53sled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 22:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it disturbing that the &quot;dead pool&quot; is getting more attention than the 100+ murders, many unsolved, all unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it disturbing that the &#8220;dead pool&#8221; is getting more attention than the 100+ murders, many unsolved, all unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just a reminder.

1  Atlanta, GA
2  St. Louis, MO
3  Washington, D.C.
4  Cinncinnati, OH
[b]5  Kansas City, MO[/b]
6  Denver, CO
7  Seattle, WA
8  Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN
9  Ft. Lauderdale, FL
10  Chicago, IL

Ten Most Sprawl-Threatened Large Cities (Sierra Club)
Number Five: Kansas City

Kansas City has more freeway lane-miles per car than any other city in the country.

Lacking geographic limits like mountains and major water bodies, the Kansas City region has sprawled like topsy. The bi-state metro area has also been influenced by an extensive regional freeway system planned in the &#039;40s, 

[b]***a state line that has made it difficult to get citizens to think of the region as a single entity*** [/b] 

and a central-city school district situation that has stimulated white flight.

In late 1995, an award-winning series in the Kansas City Star explored the causes and effects of sprawl. The series title says it all: &quot;Divided We Sprawl.&quot; And while there is growing concern in Kansas City about sprawl, the region has yet to take the problem seriously. The word &quot;sprawl&quot; just isn&#039;t uttered in polite circles.

Increased federal transportation funding promised in the TEA-21 bill recently signed by President Clinton is likely to only make things worse, as it will be possible to build most of the sprawl-promoting suburban road projects that local governments have on their wish lists. Kansas City already enjoys the dubious distinction of having more freeway lane-miles per capita than any other city in the country. The percentage of work trips made by people driving alone is 79.7 percent, above the national average of 73.2 percent (Kansas City Star).

Public transit is inadequate, as indicated by the fact that transit ridership per capita in Kansas City is only one-third the average of a dozen other cities of similar size. While there is currently a major effort to improve transit, the region still has no formally adopted long-range transit plan.

Large-scale development projects in the suburban fringe continue to occur. Sprint is building a 200-acre office campus near the southwest edge of the metro area to house most of its 14,000 employees. Harley-Davidson built a new plant at the north edge of the area using tax incentives intended for core city areas. A NASCAR racetrack and Land of Oz theme park are being planned at the western edge of the region.

Some hopeful signs that Kansas City may slow its unrestrained expansion have begun to appear. In response to citizen protests in 1995, suburban Johnson County decided against building the &quot;21st Century Parkway,&quot; an outer belt highway intended to promote more development.

In 1997, following a five-year process that involved thousands of citizens, the Kansas City, (Mo.,) City Council adopted a new comprehensive plan, the city&#039;s first since 1947. Called FOCUS (Forging Our Comprehensive Urban Strategy), the plan lays out policy guidelines to strengthen the urban core into an area where it will be possible to make most trips using public transit and non-motorized modes. However, with some 150 square miles of undeveloped land within the city limits and continuing competition for development from suburban jurisdictions, FOCUS had to include &quot;quality suburban development&quot; as well.

Another positive sign is the spirit of regionalism reflected in a sales tax increase passed in 1996 by voters of four counties to restore Union Station as a &quot;Science City&quot; museum. And the Mid-America Regional Council, the region&#039;s metropolitan planning organization, recently received a three-year grant from the EPA to promote more sustainable land development policies and practices.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a reminder.</p>
<p>1  Atlanta, GA<br />
2  St. Louis, MO<br />
3  Washington, D.C.<br />
4  Cinncinnati, OH<br />
[b]5  Kansas City, MO[/b]<br />
6  Denver, CO<br />
7  Seattle, WA<br />
8  Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN<br />
9  Ft. Lauderdale, FL<br />
10  Chicago, IL</p>
<p>Ten Most Sprawl-Threatened Large Cities (Sierra Club)<br />
Number Five: Kansas City</p>
<p>Kansas City has more freeway lane-miles per car than any other city in the country.</p>
<p>Lacking geographic limits like mountains and major water bodies, the Kansas City region has sprawled like topsy. The bi-state metro area has also been influenced by an extensive regional freeway system planned in the &#8217;40s, </p>
<p>[b]***a state line that has made it difficult to get citizens to think of the region as a single entity*** [/b] </p>
<p>and a central-city school district situation that has stimulated white flight.</p>
<p>In late 1995, an award-winning series in the Kansas City Star explored the causes and effects of sprawl. The series title says it all: &#8220;Divided We Sprawl.&#8221; And while there is growing concern in Kansas City about sprawl, the region has yet to take the problem seriously. The word &#8220;sprawl&#8221; just isn&#8217;t uttered in polite circles.</p>
<p>Increased federal transportation funding promised in the TEA-21 bill recently signed by President Clinton is likely to only make things worse, as it will be possible to build most of the sprawl-promoting suburban road projects that local governments have on their wish lists. Kansas City already enjoys the dubious distinction of having more freeway lane-miles per capita than any other city in the country. The percentage of work trips made by people driving alone is 79.7 percent, above the national average of 73.2 percent (Kansas City Star).</p>
<p>Public transit is inadequate, as indicated by the fact that transit ridership per capita in Kansas City is only one-third the average of a dozen other cities of similar size. While there is currently a major effort to improve transit, the region still has no formally adopted long-range transit plan.</p>
<p>Large-scale development projects in the suburban fringe continue to occur. Sprint is building a 200-acre office campus near the southwest edge of the metro area to house most of its 14,000 employees. Harley-Davidson built a new plant at the north edge of the area using tax incentives intended for core city areas. A NASCAR racetrack and Land of Oz theme park are being planned at the western edge of the region.</p>
<p>Some hopeful signs that Kansas City may slow its unrestrained expansion have begun to appear. In response to citizen protests in 1995, suburban Johnson County decided against building the &#8220;21st Century Parkway,&#8221; an outer belt highway intended to promote more development.</p>
<p>In 1997, following a five-year process that involved thousands of citizens, the Kansas City, (Mo.,) City Council adopted a new comprehensive plan, the city&#8217;s first since 1947. Called FOCUS (Forging Our Comprehensive Urban Strategy), the plan lays out policy guidelines to strengthen the urban core into an area where it will be possible to make most trips using public transit and non-motorized modes. However, with some 150 square miles of undeveloped land within the city limits and continuing competition for development from suburban jurisdictions, FOCUS had to include &#8220;quality suburban development&#8221; as well.</p>
<p>Another positive sign is the spirit of regionalism reflected in a sales tax increase passed in 1996 by voters of four counties to restore Union Station as a &#8220;Science City&#8221; museum. And the Mid-America Regional Council, the region&#8217;s metropolitan planning organization, recently received a three-year grant from the EPA to promote more sustainable land development policies and practices.</p>
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