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		<title>By: wyatt</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2007/09/dead-malls-the-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-193915</link>
		<dc:creator>wyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW brad, white flight, but then lets educated not incarcerate. I dont know guy when I was punished as a child it taught me to do right next time and not wrong. Countries who take off a hand for stealing have differnt (less) thefts then those who hug and cuddle. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Poverty is a damning mindset, which says if I have $200 rather than buy groceries or needed clothes, I&#039;m gonna blow it all on one TV or Brand name shoe. So yes there does need to be education. How to make a dollar work for you. The whole teach a man to fish idea. But does Government need to teach that? We as society and families need to educate and allow Government to take care of streets and sewers, jails and enforcement of our laws that WE vote into being by one way or the other. But for the Mall issue yeah theres lots of economics and whats hip at play there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW brad, white flight, but then lets educated not incarcerate. I dont know guy when I was punished as a child it taught me to do right next time and not wrong. Countries who take off a hand for stealing have differnt (less) thefts then those who hug and cuddle. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Poverty is a damning mindset, which says if I have $200 rather than buy groceries or needed clothes, I&#8217;m gonna blow it all on one TV or Brand name shoe. So yes there does need to be education. How to make a dollar work for you. The whole teach a man to fish idea. But does Government need to teach that? We as society and families need to educate and allow Government to take care of streets and sewers, jails and enforcement of our laws that WE vote into being by one way or the other. But for the Mall issue yeah theres lots of economics and whats hip at play there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2007/09/dead-malls-the-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-193221</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

I hope you come back here, someday, and read this:  I find it amusing that you&#039;d talk of other&#039;s simplistic views, then offer your own to compete.  

Yes, white flight has taken much of the money out of the city core.  But people like you act as if the fear that leads to flight is unfounded.  Property values do suffer, crime does go up, schools do perform worse.  What would you have people do, stay put because the neighborhood used to be good?  White people don&#039;t leave because they&#039;re scared, they leave because they want their kids to grow up in a good environment, and they don&#039;t want to lose equity in their homes.  Let me tell you a secret:  black people want out of black nieghborhoods, too.  Badly.

If your statement about poverty and its connection to blight and crime was correct, then rural Missouri would have the same problems as urban Missouri does.  Appalachia would be the most dangerous place in the country.  The statement is silly and ill-informed.

City fathers don&#039;t maintain buildings, in general.  Private businesses do, and they only do so as long as there&#039;s a valid business reason to.  When all you have is section 8 houses and crack dens around you, and the only people left with money are gang bangers, there isn&#039;t much of a business case to be made for rebuilding old buildings.

Wal-Mart and similar stores drive down prices, which increases real incomes.  By railing against Wal-Mart, and like stores, you&#039;re basically arguing that poor people should be forced to buy less (because their stores offend you).  

Out-door, in-door, it really means nothing.  I hate over-priced development based shopping.  But, if it makes you happy, go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>I hope you come back here, someday, and read this:  I find it amusing that you&#8217;d talk of other&#8217;s simplistic views, then offer your own to compete.  </p>
<p>Yes, white flight has taken much of the money out of the city core.  But people like you act as if the fear that leads to flight is unfounded.  Property values do suffer, crime does go up, schools do perform worse.  What would you have people do, stay put because the neighborhood used to be good?  White people don&#8217;t leave because they&#8217;re scared, they leave because they want their kids to grow up in a good environment, and they don&#8217;t want to lose equity in their homes.  Let me tell you a secret:  black people want out of black nieghborhoods, too.  Badly.</p>
<p>If your statement about poverty and its connection to blight and crime was correct, then rural Missouri would have the same problems as urban Missouri does.  Appalachia would be the most dangerous place in the country.  The statement is silly and ill-informed.</p>
<p>City fathers don&#8217;t maintain buildings, in general.  Private businesses do, and they only do so as long as there&#8217;s a valid business reason to.  When all you have is section 8 houses and crack dens around you, and the only people left with money are gang bangers, there isn&#8217;t much of a business case to be made for rebuilding old buildings.</p>
<p>Wal-Mart and similar stores drive down prices, which increases real incomes.  By railing against Wal-Mart, and like stores, you&#8217;re basically arguing that poor people should be forced to buy less (because their stores offend you).  </p>
<p>Out-door, in-door, it really means nothing.  I hate over-priced development based shopping.  But, if it makes you happy, go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2007/09/dead-malls-the-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-192303</link>
		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed at the simplistic view so many take of urban blight.  Our problems are caused by several factors, none of which is entirely the cause, but all of which added up to the way our city looked just a few years ago before gas spiked and the city center began to be revived. They were, in no particular order:

1. White flight. As long as white people are scared of black people ruining their property values, they will run to far flung suburbs, use precious infrastructure dollars to pay for new amenities like they were used to at their old place, stop going to the old places, and let them die for lack of cash.

2. Poverty. Simply put, if we don&#039;t try to take care through education, not incarceration, of our poor, our poor will steal, get in trouble, be on drugs, etc. because they are uneducated and fixated on forgetting their troubles. This goes as much for white trash in the country or city as it does poor minorities.

3. We have to have city fathers who care enough about our older developments to keep them viable. They don&#039;t--they&#039;re caught up in &quot;new&quot; building. That causes the old to deteriorate. If we valued our history a lot of older buildings and businesses would still be around. 

4. The Wal Marting of America. Everything&#039;s the same, so when there are two Macy&#039;s five miles apart, one will be closed. I bet when Lee&#039;s Summit gets their Macy&#039;s one of the closer ones in town will close.

5. The move away from boxy indoor malls. I predicted this to my wife ten years ago and she thought I was nuts. Who&#039;d want to Christmas shop in cold weather having to go outside every few minutes? I WOULD! IT&#039;s called fresh air. The old mall concept also didn&#039;t advertise well for big national chain stores or restaurants--you couldn&#039;t see their signs from the street.

So--stop blaming blacks. It&#039;s poverty, the inability of our town to stop running from itself, and the fact we don&#039;t appreciate our older resources that causes things like Bannister. A 28 year old building built to last a hundred years or more is closed due to a lot of factors. I was a Bannister kid. 1986--Annie&#039;s Santa Fe, the smell of christmas inside the mall, my girlfriend and I wandering around looking for fun....ah the difference between 18 and 40.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed at the simplistic view so many take of urban blight.  Our problems are caused by several factors, none of which is entirely the cause, but all of which added up to the way our city looked just a few years ago before gas spiked and the city center began to be revived. They were, in no particular order:</p>
<p>1. White flight. As long as white people are scared of black people ruining their property values, they will run to far flung suburbs, use precious infrastructure dollars to pay for new amenities like they were used to at their old place, stop going to the old places, and let them die for lack of cash.</p>
<p>2. Poverty. Simply put, if we don&#8217;t try to take care through education, not incarceration, of our poor, our poor will steal, get in trouble, be on drugs, etc. because they are uneducated and fixated on forgetting their troubles. This goes as much for white trash in the country or city as it does poor minorities.</p>
<p>3. We have to have city fathers who care enough about our older developments to keep them viable. They don&#8217;t&#8211;they&#8217;re caught up in &#8220;new&#8221; building. That causes the old to deteriorate. If we valued our history a lot of older buildings and businesses would still be around. </p>
<p>4. The Wal Marting of America. Everything&#8217;s the same, so when there are two Macy&#8217;s five miles apart, one will be closed. I bet when Lee&#8217;s Summit gets their Macy&#8217;s one of the closer ones in town will close.</p>
<p>5. The move away from boxy indoor malls. I predicted this to my wife ten years ago and she thought I was nuts. Who&#8217;d want to Christmas shop in cold weather having to go outside every few minutes? I WOULD! IT&#8217;s called fresh air. The old mall concept also didn&#8217;t advertise well for big national chain stores or restaurants&#8211;you couldn&#8217;t see their signs from the street.</p>
<p>So&#8211;stop blaming blacks. It&#8217;s poverty, the inability of our town to stop running from itself, and the fact we don&#8217;t appreciate our older resources that causes things like Bannister. A 28 year old building built to last a hundred years or more is closed due to a lot of factors. I was a Bannister kid. 1986&#8211;Annie&#8217;s Santa Fe, the smell of christmas inside the mall, my girlfriend and I wandering around looking for fun&#8230;.ah the difference between 18 and 40.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blogkc.com/archives/2007/09/dead-malls-the-movie/comment-page-1/#comment-189084</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put MY head back in the ostrich hole? Funny, I agree with YOUR analysis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put MY head back in the ostrich hole? Funny, I agree with YOUR analysis&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Not Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim put your head back into your ostrich hole. 
Crime rates (unfortunately) follow ghetto neighborhoods. Ghetto neighborhoods are primarily black. To say its all the black peoples fault is not true BUT the majority of the shoplifitng and crimes at all these dead malls were done by young disrespecting blacks.
At the Indep. Center Mall the security knows this and will run off ANYONE, black or not, who looks like their not shopping. Hanging out and goofing off at the mall is no longer accepted like it once was.
We have to keep in mind these malls are private property. They can and do reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE.
Its a good thing they do too or we&#039;d have no malls to even talk about.
This city is far less &quot;progressive&quot; than the liberals would like to think.
Get real and you&#039;ll discover the real problems. Its not a race issue, its a ghetto issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim put your head back into your ostrich hole.<br />
Crime rates (unfortunately) follow ghetto neighborhoods. Ghetto neighborhoods are primarily black. To say its all the black peoples fault is not true BUT the majority of the shoplifitng and crimes at all these dead malls were done by young disrespecting blacks.<br />
At the Indep. Center Mall the security knows this and will run off ANYONE, black or not, who looks like their not shopping. Hanging out and goofing off at the mall is no longer accepted like it once was.<br />
We have to keep in mind these malls are private property. They can and do reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE.<br />
Its a good thing they do too or we&#8217;d have no malls to even talk about.<br />
This city is far less &#8220;progressive&#8221; than the liberals would like to think.<br />
Get real and you&#8217;ll discover the real problems. Its not a race issue, its a ghetto issue.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Changing markets? A changing neighborhood? Mismanagement? Take your pick. But the &quot;and then black people started showing up and ruined everything&quot; seems to be a ready excuse for white Kansas City. That&#039;s hardly the mindset of a &quot;strongly progressive&quot; city, Tim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Changing markets? A changing neighborhood? Mismanagement? Take your pick. But the &#8220;and then black people started showing up and ruined everything&#8221; seems to be a ready excuse for white Kansas City. That&#8217;s hardly the mindset of a &#8220;strongly progressive&#8221; city, Tim.</p>
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		<title>By: TrafficCourt &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Coming Soon: A Documentary About Dead Malls</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrafficCourt &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Coming Soon: A Documentary About Dead Malls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, to what do you attribute the spectacular demise of Bannister Mall?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, to what do you attribute the spectacular demise of Bannister Mall?</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, you could have done us all a big favor by just writing &quot;Black people scare me, that&#039;s why I don&#039;t go outside.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, you could have done us all a big favor by just writing &#8220;Black people scare me, that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t go outside.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend who went to Ward Parkway to see Halloween because it wasn&#039;t playing on the Plaza, and he told me he&#039;d never go to a movie there again because of people talking on cell phones, etc. I didn&#039;t really understand at the time why he didn&#039;t just complain, but now it makes sense. The theater was filled with douchebags who don&#039;t care if you complain, they will just cause you more problems. The only solution is everything will have to be more expensive to pay for extra security. I&#039;ve been to the Old Navy there, and there are only ever a handful of customers. If they don&#039;t want to &quot;get the police involved&quot; when there&#039;s trouble, they will truly go the way of Bannister Mall. Personally, I&#039;d have cops there every chance I got...it&#039;s good, not bad for real business. People who aren&#039;t criminals feel better and safer with their presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who went to Ward Parkway to see Halloween because it wasn&#8217;t playing on the Plaza, and he told me he&#8217;d never go to a movie there again because of people talking on cell phones, etc. I didn&#8217;t really understand at the time why he didn&#8217;t just complain, but now it makes sense. The theater was filled with douchebags who don&#8217;t care if you complain, they will just cause you more problems. The only solution is everything will have to be more expensive to pay for extra security. I&#8217;ve been to the Old Navy there, and there are only ever a handful of customers. If they don&#8217;t want to &#8220;get the police involved&#8221; when there&#8217;s trouble, they will truly go the way of Bannister Mall. Personally, I&#8217;d have cops there every chance I got&#8230;it&#8217;s good, not bad for real business. People who aren&#8217;t criminals feel better and safer with their presence.</p>
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